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Post by EastLondoner on Feb 19, 2014 12:28:20 GMT
Discuss All The Routes that You Think Or Would Like to be Borismaster Operated.
My Guess is that the 73 and 38 will end up with them In the Future
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 12:29:49 GMT
If TFL is desperate and wants GAL to have another then the 453?
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Post by EastLondoner on Feb 19, 2014 12:34:18 GMT
If TFL is desperate and wants GAL to have another then the 453? The Next Two Routes From GAL are Widley Expected but Not Confirmed to Be Routes 88 and 22, Those Two Routes are on the blinds of Route 11's LTs whereas the 453 isn't |
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Post by GloriousWater on Feb 19, 2014 12:38:00 GMT
I think GAL would refuse to accept them judging by the amazing success of the 11. Wonder if they'll just move those LTs elsewhere after the current contract's up.
The 38 and 73 both seem likely, also I feel the 211 might be converted eventually.
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Post by Kieran on Feb 19, 2014 12:42:03 GMT
The 22, how will that be possible, it's got two tight turns in Putney that the WVLs sometimes struggle with?!
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Post by EastLondoner on Feb 19, 2014 12:42:39 GMT
I think GAL would refuse to accept them judging by the amazing success of the 11. Wonder if they'll just move those LTs elsewhere after the current contract's up. The 38 and 73 both seem likely, also I feel the 211 might be converted eventually. Yeah We don't want More of GAL's Success on London's Roads with the LTs. 211 is Always a Possibility as it Serves Victoria, Parliament and Waterloo. Route 30 mightend up happening seeing as it Serves Places like Kings Cross and Marble Arch and Doesn't venture too Far out of Central London |
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Post by Routemaster fan on Feb 19, 2014 13:12:50 GMT
I think the routes that get them will make the public that use them very lucky indeed,they are easily the best vehicle since last rear open bus platform even in its shocking one man bus format on 148.
I dont want it to launch on 38 and 73 due to the large PVR,no hints that we will get more than the 608 so need them on as many routes as possible! Shepherds Bush green looks delightful all of a sudden!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 13:31:25 GMT
I think the routes that get them will make the public that use them very lucky indeed,they are easily the best vehicle since last rear open bus platform even in its shocking one man bus format on 148. I dont want it to launch on 38 and 73 due to the large PVR,no hints that we will get more than the 608 so need them on as many routes as possible! Shepherds Bush green looks delightful all of a sudden!!!!! Boris Johnson only promised in his election back in 2012 that we will have 600 production type New Routemaster's (NRM) and other 8 are prototypes. Indeed the 148 is OPO but I must say it's a nicer route with the NRM's. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 13:33:24 GMT
If TFL is desperate and wants GAL to have another then the 453? The Next Two Routes From GAL are Widley Expected but Not Confirmed to Be Routes 88 and 22, Those Two Routes are on the blinds of Route 11's LTs whereas the 453 isn't I would doubt the 88 converting anyways due to it gaining the E40H's which was originally for the 87. 22 is likely to be converted to NRM operation, where most buses are damaged and will see the 11's scene of chaos. |
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Post by Kieran on Feb 19, 2014 18:41:47 GMT
The 22 is unlikely to convert! Putney turns are too tight and possibly in around 2016 when all the important routes are done, I don't see no reason why the 49 or 345 cannot convert.
But BN will soon have the 59, 137 & 159 in the NRM I think.
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Post by EastLondoner on Feb 20, 2014 16:26:58 GMT
I don't think the 137 will get the NRM. 159 has Probably got NRM written all Over it with the Cut Back to Marble Arch. The 59 also has a good Possibility of a Conversion
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Post by freebbc on Feb 21, 2014 14:31:26 GMT
I think you might find this interesting... I been asking TFL how many routes can be converted to New Routemasters and here is their responses over the years. 05.10.2012
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| What is the estimated number of routes which will be used by a full fleet of NB4L buses. Like in 2003 there were about 20 routes which were used by the old Routemaster so would that be the estimate?
| At present we do not have an estimate to the number of routes which will become New Bus for London routes, as the introduction is still to be finalised. Furthermore, some routes will have a higher peak vehicle requirement than others, which we will need to negotiate with the bus operators.
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| | How many routes can 608 NBfL buses can allocate to?
| The allocation depends on the route vehicle requirement. As the routes haven’t been selected yet, we cannot indicate the number of routes that the 600 might serve. However, on the basis of an average of 30 buses being required per route, this might translate to about 20 routes.
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| | How many routes can the 608 NBFL’s allocate to?
| In regards to how many routes we can allocate the 608 NBfL buses to, this is estimated at 20 however this figure is subject to change. There is potential that all operators could be operating with the NBfL eventually.
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to NBFL's?
| We expect the NBfL to cover around 20 routes. The exact number will be determined by the peak vehicle requirement of each route.
Region of 20 routes, exact number will be determined by peak vehicle requirement of each route. Some routes require more buses.
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to New Bus for London vehicles?
| Currently there are four routes converted. We estimate there will be 15-20 routes but the exact number will depend on the peak vehicle requirement for each route.
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So we have a 'more than' the 600 NBFL's because the number of NBFL's would be the PVR. But during 2003 the PVR for the Routemasters was 556 with plenty of spares. |
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Post by EastLondoner on Feb 22, 2014 13:29:49 GMT
I think you might find this interesting... I been asking TFL how many routes can be converted to New Routemasters and here is their responses over the years. 05.10.2012
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| What is the estimated number of routes which will be used by a full fleet of NB4L buses. Like in 2003 there were about 20 routes which were used by the old Routemaster so would that be the estimate?
| At present we do not have an estimate to the number of routes which will become New Bus for London routes, as the introduction is still to be finalised. Furthermore, some routes will have a higher peak vehicle requirement than others, which we will need to negotiate with the bus operators.
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| | How many routes can 608 NBfL buses can allocate to?
| The allocation depends on the route vehicle requirement. As the routes haven’t been selected yet, we cannot indicate the number of routes that the 600 might serve. However, on the basis of an average of 30 buses being required per route, this might translate to about 20 routes.
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| | How many routes can the 608 NBFL’s allocate to?
| In regards to how many routes we can allocate the 608 NBfL buses to, this is estimated at 20 however this figure is subject to change. There is potential that all operators could be operating with the NBfL eventually.
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to NBFL's?
| We expect the NBfL to cover around 20 routes. The exact number will be determined by the peak vehicle requirement of each route.
Region of 20 routes, exact number will be determined by peak vehicle requirement of each route. Some routes require more buses.
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to New Bus for London vehicles?
| Currently there are four routes converted. We estimate there will be 15-20 routes but the exact number will depend on the peak vehicle requirement for each route.
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So we have a 'more than' the 600 NBFL's because the number of NBFL's would be the PVR. But during 2003 the PVR for the Routemasters was 556 with plenty of spares. But we Do need to Remember the RMs could run More Routes than the NRM |
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Post by citylinelondon on Feb 22, 2014 19:44:54 GMT
i have heard something that the 13 is due to go NBFL in 2015 so this may mean the Volvo B5HLs on the 114,292 and 183 but i think thats been disapproved
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Post by Unorm on Mar 20, 2014 15:50:16 GMT
I think you might find this interesting... I been asking TFL how many routes can be converted to New Routemasters and here is their responses over the years. 05.10.2012
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| What is the estimated number of routes which will be used by a full fleet of NB4L buses. Like in 2003 there were about 20 routes which were used by the old Routemaster so would that be the estimate?
| At present we do not have an estimate to the number of routes which will become New Bus for London routes, as the introduction is still to be finalised. Furthermore, some routes will have a higher peak vehicle requirement than others, which we will need to negotiate with the bus operators.
| 11.03.2013
| | How many routes can 608 NBfL buses can allocate to?
| The allocation depends on the route vehicle requirement. As the routes haven’t been selected yet, we cannot indicate the number of routes that the 600 might serve. However, on the basis of an average of 30 buses being required per route, this might translate to about 20 routes.
| 28.06.2013
| | How many routes can the 608 NBFL’s allocate to?
| In regards to how many routes we can allocate the 608 NBfL buses to, this is estimated at 20 however this figure is subject to change. There is potential that all operators could be operating with the NBfL eventually.
| 16.10.2013
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to NBFL's?
| We expect the NBfL to cover around 20 routes. The exact number will be determined by the peak vehicle requirement of each route.
Region of 20 routes, exact number will be determined by peak vehicle requirement of each route. Some routes require more buses.
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| How many routes will TFL aim to convert to New Bus for London vehicles?
| Currently there are four routes converted. We estimate there will be 15-20 routes but the exact number will depend on the peak vehicle requirement for each route.
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So we have a 'more than' the 600 NBFL's because the number of NBFL's would be the PVR. But during 2003 the PVR for the Routemasters was 556 with plenty of spares. But we Do need to Remember the RMs could run More Routes than the NRM The RMs were running routes about 20 miles (!!!!), I'll give an example, the 12 was running Harlesden - South Croydon once upon a time, when the NRM goes 50mph and can survive perfectly for 7 mile routes |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 16:38:49 GMT
i have heard something that the 13 is due to go NBFL in 2015 so this may mean the Volvo B5HLs on the 114,292 and 183 but i think thats been disapproved Two Posts Merged into One - Administrator 13 will not have the NRM's like most of us know due to it being expensive to hand out compensation to Transdev. It could still happen with the buses moving but we will have to see what TFL is thinking. |
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Post by londonbuses202 on Jun 8, 2014 17:40:38 GMT
It's possible that 45 and 63 (maybe) could get some NRM's
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Post by Unorm on Jun 9, 2014 6:47:46 GMT
It's possible that 45 and 63 (maybe) could get some NRM's It is possible, but I don't know if the right turning of Brixton Road to Gresham Road will take 11.3m buses. 98, 139 and 189 are likely to convert, or even one or two of them. |
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Post by citylinelondon on Jun 9, 2014 15:41:06 GMT
The 113 will never convert due to the bus being 50mph and the passengers wont like the heat as there is no open window.
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Post by wdl1 on Jun 25, 2014 9:42:40 GMT
The 113 will never convert due to the bus being 50mph and the passengers wont like the heat as there is no open window. Can they even do 50 miles an hour? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Unorm on Jun 25, 2014 9:47:12 GMT
The 113 will never convert due to the bus being 50mph and the passengers wont like the heat as there is no open window. Can they even do 50 miles an hour? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Top speed is 50 miles an hour. TfL site says so, even does Wikipedia AFAIK. |
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Post by wdl1 on Jun 25, 2014 9:47:18 GMT
It's possible that 45 and 63 (maybe) could get some NRM's It is possible, but I don't know if the right turning of Brixton Road to Gresham Road will take 11.3m buses. They may simply remove the central traffic island or do a minor redesign of that junction so as to accommodate the bus. I would see the 35 more likely converted than the 45. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by Unorm on Jun 25, 2014 10:11:57 GMT
It is possible, but I don't know if the right turning of Brixton Road to Gresham Road will take 11.3m buses. They may simply remove the central traffic island or do a minor redesign of that junction so as to accommodate the bus. I would see the 35 more likely converted than the 45. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Indeed the 35 has a higher chance of being converted than the 45, but if they don't bother with the central traffic island, they can do it the hard way. (Turn left to Stockwell Rd, right to Stockwell Park Rd then another right for Brixton Road then a left to Gresham Rd, sounds weird for that to happen, but is likely to happen IF they will change the layout). |
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Post by lj62byt on Jun 30, 2014 17:52:07 GMT
I'm also going to guess at the 98 being possibly next because it serves mostly main roads (right-turn out of Willesden Lane onto Kilburn High Road southbound might be a bit touch-and-go, but if longer vehicles can make the turn (e.g. lorries with trailers, tri-axle coaches etc.) without any difficulties, then that Willesden Lane/Kilburn High Road turn shouldn't be too much of a problem though).
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Post by Safwaanf1 on Jun 30, 2014 18:32:52 GMT
I remember at the beginning of the year there was speculation that the 205 might get converted. Could that still be a possibility? I know some say it won't because of the new buses, but that never stopped the 24.
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Post by Safwaanf1 on Jun 30, 2014 18:34:47 GMT
I would really like to see Stagecoach get more NBFL routes.
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Post by EastLondoner on Jun 30, 2014 20:34:23 GMT
Of Stagecoach get another route it will more than likely be the 15, and possibly the 55 is they retain it. My predicted time for the 15 would be December, as that is when the contract extension takes effect. If the 55 were to be converted upon tender, then it would possibly be a March Conversion. But then you do have the suburban 5 and 86, Suburban but they are Stagecoach's busiest routes and Among London's busiest.
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