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Post by Unorm on Apr 2, 2014 15:34:15 GMT
The title may sound like that but has two things: 1: New route 2: New ideas for current routes My example:433: Stratford City - Dulwich Wood Park Kingswood Drive:
mapGipsy Hill Gipsy Road, Westow Hill, Crystal Palace Parade, Dulwich Wood Park, Gipsy Road, Hamilton Road (return via Clive Road then Hamilton Road), Carnac Street, Vale Street, Tritton Road, Rosendale Road, Turney Road, Croxted Road, Norwood Road, Herne Hill, Denmark Hill, Camberwell Road, Walworth Road, Newington Butts, Elephant & Castle, Newington Causeway, Borough High Street, London Bridge, Eastcheap, Great Tower Street, Byward Street, Tower Hill, Minories, Goodman's Yard, Minories, East Smithfield, The Highway, Butcher Row, Commercial Road, East India Dock Road, Blackwall Tunnel Northern Approach, Stratford High Street, Great Eastern Road, Angel Lane, Montifichet Road, Stratford City Bus Station
^ Roueting is 15 miles, with 10 minutes freqeuncy peaks M-F and Sat peaks, Sat and M-F daytime and evening are 15-20, Sunday = 30.
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Post by citylinelondon on Apr 2, 2014 16:10:26 GMT
Extend the 328 to white city to link up with the 31 and put ADL Enviro 400h or Vovlo B5HL
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Post by GloriousWater on Apr 2, 2014 18:34:39 GMT
If the Thames Gateway Bridge were built then how about the 53 extended from Plumstead to Beckton?
Or keep the 53 as it is and do a new route 553 from Rotherhithe to Deptford via the 47 then following the 53 to Plumstead before turning to Beckton.
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Post by Kieran on Apr 2, 2014 19:06:09 GMT
Extend the 328 to white city to link up with the 31 and put ADL Enviro 400h or Vovlo B5HL How would you extend the 328 to White City if it goes all the way down to Chelsea? |
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Post by Kieran on Apr 2, 2014 19:10:32 GMT
19 to Battersea Park, Prince of Wales Drive PVR 27
N19 to Streatham Bus Station PVR 20
328 to Battersea Bridge, South Side PVR 30
70 to Chelsea, Worlds End PVR 22
C3 to Battersea Bus Garage via route 156 PVR 16
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Post by Unorm on Apr 3, 2014 13:38:00 GMT
If the Thames Gateway Bridge were built then how about the 53 extended from Plumstead to Beckton? Or keep the 53 as it is and do a new route 553 from Rotherhithe to Deptford via the 47 then following the 53 to Plumstead before turning to Beckton. This might not be strange (since 507, 521 and 549 have the 500 series), but that number I numbered (or if you did before I did) is for temporary shuttles. You can number it 218, 278 and any other number from 400 series. And there was 378 and some numbers available in the 300 series. Since Thames Gateway wasn't built, how about the route to be extended from Rotherhithe to Beckton via Rotherhthe Tunnel and the A13. Map is be provided. If link doesn't work, click or tap here |
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Post by citylinelondon on Apr 3, 2014 15:50:44 GMT
New route 551 mill hill East via Hendon and Golders green to Possibly Victoria or Mill hill east High to Camden town Comapny Metroline Or Arriva
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Post by GloriousWater on Apr 3, 2014 21:52:20 GMT
Unorm Only minibuses can possibly fit through the Rotherhithe Tunnel, that wouldn't be possible. It could possibly pass through the Blackwall Tunnel like the 108 does though. The obvious issue is that it'd need SDs then. The route looks like this now, it's 11.4 miles long. 13.4 miles if it goes via Deptford and Blackheath. 
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Post by Unorm on Apr 3, 2014 23:19:19 GMT
Unorm Only minibuses can possibly fit through the Rotherhithe Tunnel, that wouldn't be possible. It could possibly pass through the Blackwall Tunnel like the 108 does though. The obvious issue is that it'd need SDs then. The route looks like this now, it's 11.4 miles long. 13.4 miles if it goes via Deptford and Blackheath. I knew Rotherhithe Tunnel only fits for minibuses  , even thought it was ME who talked of services passing there. P14 did. Which got renumbered 395 and got re-structed. Which got withdrawn with no replacement at all. 278 (newest x78 route that goes East London) can be SD. It doesn't need DDs AFAIK. So you changed your plan!!! You said it was to go via 53 to Plumstead!! I knew a better way without going via Plumstead. Thus now, this route is no longer 553. It will be 278. As 378 use to go to Beckton, got renumbered 678. Now. We will have another x78 to be with SC! (178 is with SC). |
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Post by GloriousWater on Apr 5, 2014 9:56:28 GMT
That was assuming the Thames Gateway Bridge is never built, you did a good job of illustrating the route if the bridge was built on your Flickr.
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Post by Unorm on Apr 5, 2014 14:56:50 GMT
That was assuming the Thames Gateway Bridge is never built, you did a good job of illustrating the route if the bridge was built on your Flickr. Thanks GloriousWater  I used info from Wikipedia which included a shocking history of the plan........ Basically: Plan was introduced 1970. It was supposed to be done now........... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 17:31:00 GMT
Perhaps a silly idea: Route X71: Dagenham Docks - Dartford, via Rainham, Purfleet, Dartford Crossing, Little Brook Hospital and Livingstone Community Hospital. Nearly 16 miles with the average of 30~40mph travel. PVR - 4. Every 30 minutes.  |
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Post by GloriousWater on Apr 6, 2014 13:59:34 GMT
@myparadiselostjs Nice route, however it'd be a waste not to make it go via Lakeside and Bluewater. However if it existed I'd use it if I were going that way.
PVR needs work though, I think it's too small.
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Post by Unorm on Apr 6, 2014 17:21:19 GMT
@myparadiselostjs Nice route, however it'd be a waste not to make it go via Lakeside and Bluewater. However if it existed I'd use it if I were going that way. PVR needs work though, I think it's too small. Maybe every 20 minutes daytimes except Sunday (which will be 15  ). Evenings to be 30. ^ Maybe that? I agree to GloriousWater's idea |
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Post by yebz on Apr 27, 2014 13:40:13 GMT
I think Route 349 shud be extended to Stratford city from Stamford hill via Clapton and Homerton or via Walthamstow (St James st) and Leyton PVR 20 12-E
6-EC that would be a good link that does not exsits and make the 349 more useful
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Post by Unorm on Apr 28, 2014 12:24:23 GMT
I realised there was tight roads in the St Gothard Road area (Hamilton Rd and Gipsy Rd). So it will have to hit on (half annoying) Sth Croxted Rd, else if 433 happens, then the drivers will have to get used to reversing... *plans for days....... apparently............*
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Post by Safwaanf1 on May 3, 2014 18:34:59 GMT
86 to Aldgate, and 25 cut back.
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Post by EastLondoner on May 3, 2014 21:26:53 GMT
86 to Aldgate, and 25 cut back. Wouldn't work cutting the 25 back, there are many end to end riders of the route. If the 86 was extended then it would have to be cut back to Chadwell Heath in order to prevent the route getting to long. The 62 could be withdrawn between Marks Gate and Chadwell Heath and Extended to Romford Station to Make up |
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Post by Safwaanf1 on May 4, 2014 18:38:21 GMT
86 to Aldgate, and 25 cut back. Wouldn't work cutting the 25 back, there are many end to end riders of the route. If the 86 was extended then it would have to be cut back to Chadwell Heath in order to prevent the route getting to long. The 62 could be withdrawn between Marks Gate and Chadwell Heath and Extended to Romford Station to Make up This is just a thought, but... What if the 25 was operated by two different operators? That would make 'regulating the service' much easier. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 21:28:37 GMT
Wouldn't work cutting the 25 back, there are many end to end riders of the route. If the 86 was extended then it would have to be cut back to Chadwell Heath in order to prevent the route getting to long. The 62 could be withdrawn between Marks Gate and Chadwell Heath and Extended to Romford Station to Make up This is just a thought, but... What if the 25 was operated by two different operators? That would make 'regulating the service' much easier. Is it me or is this idea echoing around  Anyway, I don't quite get how it works with two operators.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 20:08:29 GMT
521: New Cross Gate Sainsbury's - Waterloo Stn via St Pauls
The extension plan will see the route being extended to New Cross Gate to give the commuter link to Waterloo serving places like St Pauls and Canon St without having to change for a bus to get there in which case is the 63 or 172. It will also some relieve to 21 which I feel is struggling to run a decent service from NX recently
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 8:00:05 GMT
Plan B
129 to be extended to London Bridge via 177 routing towards Peckham and at Deptford Bridge joins the 453 where it will meet with the 21 at New Cross.
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Post by Unorm on May 18, 2014 8:07:22 GMT
Plan B 129 to be extended to London Bridge via 177 routing towards Peckham and at Deptford Bridge joins the 453 where it will meet with the 21 at New Cross. IMO that is better than your 521 plans as 521 is high frequency, may not have a high PVR, but it's like a 25. |
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Post by GloriousWater on May 27, 2014 21:25:39 GMT
Image linkA route from Streatham Hill to Lewisham Shopping Centre which I feel is badly needed. It runs via the 122 to Crystal Palace then A214 and A23 to Streatham Hill.
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Post by Unorm on May 28, 2014 17:15:20 GMT
Image linkA route from Streatham Hill to Lewisham Shopping Centre which I feel is badly needed. It runs via the 122 to Crystal Palace then A214 and A23 to Streatham Hill. About to list points, you did it faster than me Nice route 12 minutes on Mondays to Saturdays (or Fridays if you wish). Maybe a PVR of 15? |
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Post by citylinelondon on May 31, 2014 22:50:56 GMT
X25
Ilford High Road Hainault Street
Ilford High Road for Ilford Station
Manor Park
Woodgrange Park Station
Forest Gate
Stratford Broadway for Stratford Station
Bow Church Station
Bow Road Station
Mile End Station
Stepney Green Station
Whitechapel Station
Braham Street for Aldgate East Station
Aldgate High Street for Aldgate Station
Bank Station
St Paul's Station
City Thameslink Station
Chancery Lane Station
Holborn Station
Tottenham Court Road Station
Stagecoach NBFL Hybrid
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Post by Unorm on Jun 1, 2014 11:34:31 GMT
The 415 really needs an extension, so do 323 and 330, as per being 3/5 miles. I see that they do carry a load but maybe this: (Green font notes Station, Stn = Station Currently: 323: Limehouse Burdett Road, (via route 115 to Canning Town Bus Stn) Canning Town Stn;- Manor Rd for Star Lane DLR Stn, Cody Rd, Twelvetrees Crescent, Bromley-by-Bow Stn, Devons Rd DLR Stn, Devons Rd, Bow Common Lane-; Mile End Station, (via route D6 to Ash Grove) - Ash Grove.330: Canning Town Stn;- Barking Road, Plaistow Police Station, Plaistow Greengate, Barking Road, Upton Park Boleyn, Upton Park Stn, Forest Gate Princess Alice, Forest Gate Stn, Woodgrange Park Stn.;- (via route 678 to Stratford), (via route 276) - Bow Bus Garage.415: Norwood Bus Garage (or where 68 stands, which stands infront of the garage since Abellio are taking it ), West Norwood Stn, Tulse Hill Stn, Tulse Hill, Effra Road, Brixton Lambeth Town Hall, Brixton Stn, Brixton Road, St. Mark's Church for Oval Station and Cricket Ground, Kennington Park Rd Kennington Road, Kennington Stn, Kennington Park Rd Penton Place, Elephant & Castle Stn, Elephant & Castle Newington Causeway;- (via route 40 to Aldgate) - (via route 205 to Bow Church) Bow Church.
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Post by Safwaanf1 on Jun 1, 2014 14:50:10 GMT
The 415 really needs an extension, so do 323 and 330, as per being 3/5 miles. I see that they do carry a load but maybe this: (Green font notes Station, Stn = Station Currently: 323: Limehouse Burdett Road, (via route 115 to Canning Town Bus Stn) Canning Town Stn;- Manor Rd for Star Lane DLR Stn, Cody Rd, Twelvetrees Crescent, Bromley-by-Bow Stn, Devons Rd DLR Stn, Devons Rd, Bow Common Lane-; Mile End Station, (via route D6 to Ash Grove) - Ash Grove.330: Canning Town Stn;- Barking Road, Plaistow Police Station, Plaistow Greengate, Barking Road, Upton Park Boleyn, Upton Park Stn, Forest Gate Princess Alice, Forest Gate Stn, Woodgrange Park Stn.;- (via route 678 to Stratford), (via route 276) - Bow Bus Garage.415: Norwood Bus Garage (or where 68 stands, which stands infront of the garage since Abellio are taking it ), West Norwood Stn, Tulse Hill Stn, Tulse Hill, Effra Road, Brixton Lambeth Town Hall, Brixton Stn, Brixton Road, St. Mark's Church for Oval Station and Cricket Ground, Kennington Park Rd Kennington Road, Kennington Stn, Kennington Park Rd Penton Place, Elephant & Castle Stn, Elephant & Castle Newington Causeway;- (via route 40 to Aldgate) - (via route 205 to Bow Church) Bow Church.
Writing in Black means current roueting Writing in Red means should be routeing (extension)Writing in Green means Station. ;- StnRoute 415 might get a bit too long. Perhaps to Aldgate would be enough. For the 330, there's no suitable place to stand near Bow Bus Garage, perhaps extend the route to Hackney Wick via 488? Or perhaps to Bromley-By-Bow Tesco. (Again via 488.) Or even to Mile End. I wanted to have a look at the 678's routing, and for some reason these two sites are both different. 678 from Beckton to St George's Road678 from Beckton to Stratford
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Post by londonbuses202 on Jun 1, 2014 15:01:31 GMT
416
Peckham-Victoria
Peckham bus station
Clayton road
Peckham road
Camberwell church street
Camberwell new road
vassel road
Kennington park
Oval
Vauxhall
Plimico station
Vauxhall bridge road
Victoria bus station
Vauxhall bridge road
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Post by londonbuses202 on Jun 1, 2014 15:09:10 GMT
416 Peckham-Victoria Peckham bus station Clayton road Peckham road Camberwell church street Camberwell new road vassel road Kennington park Oval Vauxhall Plimico station Vauxhall bridge road Victoria bus station Vauxhall bridge road The whole purpose of This route is to help with overcrowding on 36 and 436 |
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, even thought it was ME who talked of services passing there. P14 did. Which got renumbered 395 and got re-structed. Which got withdrawn with no replacement at all.
Anyway, I don't quite get how it works with two operators..
